"KINSEY'S PAEDOPHILES" EXCERPTS FROM YORKSHIRE TELEVISION TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW WITH DR CLARENCE TRIPP (May 5, 6, 1998)
reported by:
Judith A Reisman, Ph.D.
See full obituary below:
"The author C. A. Tripp, who is said to have just completed co-authorship of a book speculating that Abraham Lincoln had gay encounters, has died of cancer. He was 83. Tripp is best known for his 1975 book The Homosexual Matrix (McGraw-Hill), in which he attempted to dispel popular misconceptions about homosexuality. It sold nearly half a million copies...Tripp is survived by his companion, Vacharin Prasertthai"
WHO WAS THE FAMOUS SEXOLOGIST, DR TRIPP?
TRIPP, APPARENTLY A CLOSET HOMOSEXUAL WHOSE "COMPANION" HAS A COMMON MALE ASIAN NAME, WAS AN EXPERT WITNESS IN MAJOR LEGAL CASES TOUCHING ON SEX. YET IN HIS TELEVISION INTERVIEW TRIPP IS AN ADMITTED ZOOPHILE WHO VIEWED HIS OWN SEX WITH DOGS AS NORMAL AND WHO ARGUED DOGS NEED/DESIRE SEX WITH HUMANS. (Transcribed 5th MAY 1998, pp. 40-41)
"DR TRIP: If you go out and masturbate dogs - I was very good at this when I was a boy-the dog will love you to pieces because the dog has no efficient way to masturbate. He loves the orgasm as much as anybody else but he can't self produce it. Now you just do this a time or two. The dogs do various things. You try this on all the neighborhood dogs, they all turn out to be different. Some dogs will always expect or try to talk you into doing it. They'll come to you. Other dogs will come to any human and say, please touch me here in a certain kind of way."
TRIPP: THE KINSEY INSTITUTE FEARS A PUBLIC "BACKLASH"
"...you have this continual torture...(note in the interview Reisman is spelt as Reissman)
INT : I need to ask you this. Why do you think the Institute now is so defensive about some of the things you have talked about'?
PP 36-37 Tripp: [W]hy are they so edgy? They're edgy because they are in a very bad position, as was Kinsey in a way, that everything will be used against him. It will immediately be used to clamp down on the research.
I remind you that Judith Reissman and her Family Services group, not to mention the Concerned Women of America ....go and do things like give lectures at the Indiana University . They sit on the steps of the Institute to this day. They call up the newspaper and say, we will be there at four o'clock , come with your cameras. And you have this continual torture. By the time this gets back to the local members of the legislature of Indiana who are the real targets in the first place, we have a proposition which just by the way came up again. Let's kill the Institute entirely because it is the source of all the poison....So little wonder that they're edgy. They really need to take a lesson from lesbians [and aggressively promote Kinsey's sexual excesses as legitimate].
SO, THE FILM WILL SHOW SOME OF KINSEY'S EXCESSES IN ORDER TO STATE, "WHAT A TREASURE" KINSEY WAS
pp. 27-28 INT : Since we're on the subject of this backlash, how much damage is this sort of, this sort of backlash, how much damage is it actually doing?
DR TRIP: Oh I expect it is doing quite a lot. The place it will do damage the most, this backlash against Kinsey, is that it will make him non-considered by laymen out there. It won't affect the sex researchers, because they'll know better. It will affect public things....people didn't know what a treasure this was. [I hope] I've made it clear.
INT : Why do you think that the allegations that are being made about Kinsey by the likes of Reissman and co, are being made now?
pp. 20-22 DR TRIP: .... Reissman is outraged and has been from the first. She was treated very nicely by Gebhard who didn't know any better at first and she wrote questions ill her letters and he tried to answer every question until she asked that he send her Xeroxes of people's history. [sic] Then he knew what he was dealing with.
But it turned out, and I believe her, that she had the idea...that because Kinsey was a great sex researcher, he left behind not only these books, but he left a tradition for people respecting him and this respect somehow got over to the sex education courses where it is ruining the virginity of young girls and not to mention the purity of young boys, and therefore she wants to reform the modem educational systems which had been blackened with Kinsey's dirty talk. This is what it amounts to. I see no reason for not accepting her at her word. It is probably what does motivate her.
INT : I've probably got this wrong but I thought she was complaining about the use of children.
DR TRIP: Oh, she throws that in. She throws anything in that might do damage to Kinsey. She likes to imply that he took histories of young children, which is true....If we could only get those children with some kind of masturbation or something that would rev up their sexual substrate at an early time it would fix people like Judith Reissman immediately because then they'd respond and then they'd know what the rest of the world was like.
pp. 27-29 INT : I mean it has been said as part of this backlash, it's been said that Kinsey should have turned in paedophiles.
DR TRIP: I love that the best....What he should have done is call up the jail house! Because, of course, and Kinsey's answer to it was so beautiful. You are talking about 95% of our sample which is the number who have committed jailable offences....And as Kinsey said, bv this kind of paranoia, you do the child more damage for life than all the paedophiles in the world would do. And very few paedophiles make any damage anyway, it almost never happens....
Kinsey said....[p]aedophilia is an almost non-existent kind of crime....For instance they use words like child molestation. What is that? Nobody knows. Abuse of children? Are they talking about boxing them against the ear or hitting them with a stove pipe? Are they talking about 30 tickling them a little? Are you talking about fondling? Are you going to put foundling and death attacks in the same group? This is murder. You are fooling yourself with this kind of self-censorship and it is outrageous. [Much of this quote is on the Yorkshire broadcast]
pp. 43-44. DR TRIP: Kinsey would be very shocked if anybody ever accused him of an ethical violation.
....Moralists are just a plague on the world...
[TRIPP 4 & 5 NOTE: the Kinsey Institute directors, Bancroft and Reinisch, never even met Kinsey--Tripp worked or and with him. ]
KINSEY'S "OBSERVER" ADDICTION WAS DELIBERATELY HIDDEN FROM THE PUBLIC
Note: the film will admit that he commonly watched adults in sex and that he was a bisexual. Due to the Dr. Laura campaign, they allegedly now include a short scene where Kinsey takes the pedophile "data" during an interview. However, as Tripp and others have admitted, Kinsey was an addicted voyeur, an "observer" who "had to see it for himself."
pp. 40-42 INT : "The Institute says that Kinsey never had any contact with paedophiles, it was just one man."
DR TRIP: Kinsey had contact with all that he could find. It's true that nobody would he trust as much as Green [the admitted mass rapist of 800 infants and children] .... he learned from everybody.....he is always looking for little subtleties, little specialties...mind-boggling things.
p. 11 INT : But if Kinsey states something as a fact, can we be certain that he observed it himself?
DR TRIP: Almost always....he was often observing it....there is no mention of his observing people. But he did. He wanted to see everything. This is a hands-on scientist....But he had to see it to really believe it.
p. 31 INT : What do you think Kinsey learnt from his contact with paedophiles?
DR TRIP: Well....I hesitate to even call Green a paedophile. It is true he had some children, his girlfriend did most of the really young ones, but it occasionally showed up. [Kinsey] would always check it.
p. 9 INT : When we are dealing with direct observation with Kinsey, if Kinsey wrote in the reports that he ... observed something, how reliable is that?
DR TRIP:....nobody ever knew that he had observed. I think you will find that nobody, in any documentary, ever mentions it. That I am the first one that ever told you! Or told anybody. It is guarded like a secret.
INT : Why?
pp. 10-11 DR TRIP: ....Kinsey sauntering by to watch every single person with every single partner? Mind blowing....There is no reference to it anywhere, let alone in print. Even in the documentaries.
P. 5. INT : How important to Kinsey's work was his own direct observation of physiological changes or any physical ... ?
TRIPP: ....There is some very important thing...that has never been put in print... Kinsey... took three samples. He took the kind of sample that we know of, where he got people to volunteer to be interviewed....the other is the special people he went to meet, and then the third is special individuals that he would spend huge amounts of time with....Anybody who might be a special source, he would always horn in there.
DURING THE TV INTERVIEW, TRIPP SHOWS TIM TATE A PHOTO HE TOOK FOR KINSEY OF TWO YOUNG, PROSTITUTED BOYS ENGAGED IN SODOMY
p. 24 INT : Tell me how it was you were able to get...the subject for the orgasm films? [Kinsey had "motility" studies of over 200 young boys]
TRIPP: He wants to see the nature of the ejaculate....these details. ... I just turned the camera around and photographed this German boy who was having an affair with one of the other ones....This is the picture....Kinsey was delighted with this....
[Kinsey told the photographer] Hurry up and get other material that shows emotional contact going on in the thing [boys committing sodomy].
p. 26 INT : What do you think someone like Reissman would make of you holding a picture like that?
DR TRIP: Oh, she would turn it into the next lovely statement.....I always feel sorry for her because I know she is one of those non-responding females....In Reissman's mind this would probably be the epitome of adolescent or child corruption of some kind, although she prefers it if it is young babies to orgasm. That's her peak focal interest.
INT : How old are those boys?
p. 27 DR TRIP: They are sixteen, seventeen, eighteen. Some place along there.
OBITUARY
Clarence Arthur Tripp ( 4 October 1919 - 17 May 2003)
by Andy Armitage (Gay and Lesbian Humanist Summer 2003: http://www.galha.org/glh/224/tripp.html)
The author C. A. Tripp, who is said to have just completed co-authorship of a book speculating that Abraham Lincoln had gay encounters, has died of cancer. He was 83.
Tripp is best known for his 1975 book The Homosexual Matrix (McGraw-Hill), in which he attempted to dispel popular misconceptions about homosexuality. It sold nearly half a million copies.
Dr Clarence Arthur Tripp, psychologist, therapist and sex researcher, studied at the Rochester Institute of Technology and served in the US Navy. He immersed himself in the work of Freud during the 1940s and also worked in photography, while becoming increasingly interested in psychology. It was towards the end of the decade that he worked with Alfred Kinsey at the Institute for Sex Research in Indiana , until Kinsey died in 1956.
His book speculating on the sexuality of Lincoln was co-written with the author Lewis Gannett. It was finished about two weeks before Tripp's death, and he had been working with Gannett on its preparation for several years. Reports have hinted that the book will reveal that Lincoln had a series of homosexual encounters.
According to Newsweek, Tripp had a straightforward message that "homosexuality is best viewed as an alternative lifestyle and society benefits from tolerating it".
The New York Times quotes Larry Kramer, author and AIDS activist, who had said in an interview that Tripp's book was the first to emerge from a "reputable source", and that it "dared to openly speak of homosexuality as a healthy occurrence".
Tripp is survived by his companion, Vacharin Prasertthai.